President Idi Amin expelled the non citizen Asians, but not the Ugandan Asians


Iddil Amin posing in a photo with Asians that stayed in Uganda after 1972

Fellow Ugandans At Heart,
I have read books and news papers about Uganda under the presidency of Idi Amin, but I believe that many, if not most of the stories written were selective and / or misleading.

Most memorable of the books is probably, the State of Blood by Henry Kyemba. After reading the book, I realized that where his tribesmen were linked to the stories he wrote, he never mentioned their names. About the departure of the Asians, he concentrated on the soldiers who took the luggage left behind by the departed Asians, but did not write exactly why the Asians left Uganda. I believe that most people here if not all, believe that President Idi Amin expelled the Ugandan Asians from Uganda. That is not true.

Is there any reason to fear telling the truth about this subject? Why has everyone kept silent about this? I read somewhere a couple of years ago that the African scholars were to re-write the History of Africa which they claimed, ”was distorted by the colonial powers”. Till today, apart from the New African monthly magazine which writes about Africa and tends to correct the stories of the past, I have not yet seen the re-written History of Africa by any African scholar. Perhaps I have missed it, can someone please advise me how to get the ”Re-Written History of Africa”?

I appreciate very much the contribution of information to this historical event. Somebody asked me whether Idi Amin did not expel the Asians of Indian origin.The answer is, Yes he did. In fact it was the Asians, not only of the Indian origin, but also from Pakistan, Seychelles, Bangladesh etc. My statement was that Idi Amin did not expell the Ugandan Asians. I am glad that some Ugandans on UAH have a very good memory of what transpired at the time of the departure of the Asians. I note also that many people have forgotten how it all began, so as to conclude the decision to expel the Asians.

In the speech by Idi Amin in which he announced the expulsion, he made a statement in which he said that, ”The Asians have businesses here in Uganda and are making a lot of money. But the problem is that all the money they make is kept in the British Banks. Don’t you know that the money you keep in the national Bank is the money which develops the country?” At that moment, Idi Amin said that the act of making money in Uganda and banking it in Britain is like milking a cow that you do not feed. He went on to say that many of these Asians have also denounced their Ugandan citizenship in preference for the British. He urged them to denounce the British and return to their Ugandan citizenship. He said that within 90 days all of those who had denounced their Ugandan citizenship must denounce the British and return to their Ugandan. He also said that, ”all those who will not comply with this announcement will be expelled from Uganda with immediate effect”. He concluded that, ”All those who will not comply and found here in Uganda after the 90 days, will face the Law of the Land”.

The conclusion of Idi Amin’s speech, ”………will face the Law of the Land” might have caused panic among the Asian community, so that the best they thought was to leave Uganda. Some, who were still citizens of Uganda, might have hoped to return after the situation had calmed down. A few remained in Uganda, but that was the choice they made, for they felt they had nowhere else to go, or were married to Ugandans and felt secure enough. I remember the family of Major Bashir Juma’s wife who decided to stay. Major Bashir Juma was the Governor of the Southern Region.

That is Henry Kyemba (then Minister of Health) to the right.

That is Henry Kyemba (then Minister of Health) to the right.

In 1974 while attending the British Commonwealth Games in Christchurch, New Zealand, I met a former classmate of mine, Harish Panchal. The Panchal family were Ugandans of Pakistani origin and were working in the then, Canadian owned Kilembe Mines in Uganda before they decided to leave. We both had attended Bulembia School, a predominantly Asian school in Kilembe Township. My friend Allan Barigye of UAH also attended the same school, I wonder if he remembers the Panchal family.

Harish Panchal told me that they were so afraid to remain in Uganda while many of their friends and family members were leaving. He said that they had seen how innocent people were being murdered by the state secret service and felt that the same would happen to them. He mentioned the name of the former Chairman of the Workers’ Union, Mr. Rwamashongye who was murdered and thrown under the Mobuku Bridge on the Kasese – Fort Portal Road. ”Mr. Rwamashongye” he said, ”was a family friend of ours, but he was also the chairman of President Milton Obote’s political party, the UPC. My father was afraid that we would be associated with the UPC which would be a detrimental allegation”. He told me of a gentleman who resembled Dr. Obote, combed his hair like him, had a walking stick similar to the one Dr. Obote had. Harish told me that this man was arrested and that the secret service operatives claimed that the man was Dr. Obote himself. The man was beaten to near death and that many people begged that the man was their colleague at Kilembe Mines, but the beating continued. He was let go when he fell down and perhaps thought that he would die. So, such experiences scared many Asians and might have caused their decision to leave the country and not because they were expelled.

Briefly, President Idi Amin expelled the non citizens of the Asian community and not the citizens of Uganda.The expulsion of the non citizen Asians was in 1972. Juma Ali whom many called, ”Butabika” due to his acts similar to a mad man’s, was not yet a Lt. Colonel and was not yet the Commander of Malire Mech. Reg. Bombo.

Some Asians tried at the last moment to acquire Ugandan citizenship. The president had told the Asians to return to their Ugandan citizenship within 90 days. The Uganda TV and Radio read the remaining days every single day.

What some people mention about the killing of the Asians by the soldiers under Juma Ali’s command, was one of the many acts of violence that led to many other Asians to leave the country. Britain offered aeroplanes to take the Asians, but many were not permitted to settle in the UK, despite their UK passports. They were re-settled in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Kenya and elsewhere.

My prior point was to clarify the misleading report of History that ”Idi Amin expelled the Ugandan Asians”. Briefly, President Idi Amin expelled the non citizen Asians, but not the Ugandan Asians.
Byaruhanga.J. Rubin.

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  1. Joseph Kamugisha,

    A “Principal Private Secretary” is NOT by any means an “Administrator” While the former is a political appointee strictly hired to work with the President in the president’s office on presidential affairs, the former is mainly hired from and within the ranks of the CIVIL service Commission. Administrators in government ranks are normally in categories of “Permanent secretaries, Under secretaries, Chief accountants, etc. In the case of Henry Kyemba, he was not a civil servant by the time of the 1971 coup detat, he was working for Obote, in the president’s office, that job entails and enables whoever is the principal private secretary to be wherever the president goes, whereas, administrators, are strictly office positioned with regular schedules of Monday through Friday.

    It may be helful for you to know that not only was i among the FEW Black African, Ugandan kids who were attending Old Kampala Primary School, out of the entire Indian population of both students and staff, by the time Amin expelled the Indians. When the Indians left, the entire school had to shut down, that meant that some of us who were attending all Indian managed schools like Agha Khan, Shimoni, Mandal, Norman Godhino, East Kololo, Aria girls, etc suffered a loss of almost two school terms.

    It might also help you to learn that i was not only a friend to very many Indian kids, which by the way, cost me a great deal. Because i was fluent Gujarati and Punjabi speaker, but it all evaporated as i grew older, but that is another story. It might equally be good for you to learn that not only did i have many kids whose parents were either government ministers, civil servants, foreign service etc, as friends, but my father was actually a MOFA – Ministry of foreign affairs employee from the sixties all the way to the time of retrenchment of civil service and government employees uder Museveni. Additionally, most of family member’s were either in the civil service or direct employees of various ministries.

    Besides, i was a very observant kid with a very keen interest in the political scenarios and developments of the day until i left the country in the early eighties, returned in the mid ninetees and left again.

    i was a resident of Kololo, Elizabeth Avenue, to be exact, from 1972-1982, but my family remained there untill 1988. So, there is no street in Kololo or the suburbs did i do not know even as far as the entire Nakasero.

    If you are going to discuss anything about the Amin era or even as far back as the obote 1 and the later part of Obote 11, please be preapred with bwiino!

    Kamugisha

  2. I would like to mention my experience. I finished my O-Levels at Jinja Secondary School in December 1970 at the age of 17 and as the first prize winner I was offered a place at King’s College Budo to study for A-Levels as a boarding student. My father, mother, brother, sister and I visited King’s College Budo by car on a Sunday. I was shown what would be my house (college group) and my bed in the residence hall. I liked the place and was ready to go into King’s College Budo.

    At that time, one day I was walking on Jinja’s main street to go home to our house in Magwa Crescent. I was on the pavement on the other side from Main Street Primary School. A Ugandan man of African origin of about 35 years of age stopped me in the street, cursed me a lot and shouted “Kwenda india nyinyi wahindi” = Go to India you Indians! I was third generation Ugandan and my first passport was a Ugandan passport.

    My father talked to his friends about my rare school offer. His African friends said not to send me to King’s College Budo because that is where the children of Baganda kings go and so there is bound to be shooting there with the approaching mega troubles. I have to inform you my father was a director and shareholder of Eastern Province Bus Company in Jinja. My grandfather was its originator and its first director and company secretary in late 1940s since he brought together disparate bus operators to form one large company with license for bus transport in Eastern half of the country. None of my uncles worked at EPB Co but my father was the chief cashier there. My father was fluent in Kisoga and Kiganda. My father had given up his British Protectorate Passport soon after independence in 1962 to be able to continue as a director of a major local company in Uganda. So, he had friends who gave him sincere advice and it turned out true.

    So, I was on an aeroplane London in April 1971 with GBP £200 cash and a suitcase of clothes. My monthly cash support from my father of GBP £60 stopped in August 1971 since foreign exchange was stopped by Uganda authorities. My parents instructed me to find apprenticeship at an audit form to gain the skills of being an auditor because my father said that authorities can take away my possessions but not my skills.

    Today I am highly skilled in the techniques of auditing, I have made my own audit work manual that I have exported to 32 countries including Uganda and I carry out peer review of audit files for British firms of auditors.

    In December 1972, my Uganda passport was invalid although it had not expired. Uganda High Commission were not interested in helping me with my Ugandan passport for my travel to Sweden to see my father who had arrived at a refugee camp. I had to obtain a stateless passport from British authorities to travel in the cheapest way to Sweden via boat to Holland and train through Germany and Denmark, with prior visas from each country. European people on that journey asked me to shake hands as they had never met a stateless person. What value was Uganda passport to a Ugandan of Indian origin outside Uganda, zilch!

    My first six years out of Uganda were extremely difficult as I existed on a tiny wage of an articled clerk at London Jewish firms of auditors (my first job was where they said they would pay me a weekly wage of GBP £7 and pay all my taxes but I discovered within a couple of weeks after starting work that the tax and national insurance threshold was GBP £7.50!!). I worked five days a week with study at night school and homework at libraries at weekends but I refused to work for proper wages in restaurants or at factories. I was young and I could take it. Now, I am financially very secure with an internet-based business so that I can spend my winters away. I have been back to Uganda three times to sell our family house in auction and got a paltry GBP £1,400 after lawyers fees and government deductions. I have lost that feeling of calling Uganda “back home” because of the way Uganda’s politics continues. I have concluded that many commonwealth countries including Uganda has to defragment into natural nations as did Yugoslavia but hopefully without as much violence.

    The British with all their faults are good to me and I participate in British way of life as much as I want to, including standing as a candidate in local council elections. I am a longstanding and active member of Labour Party in UK. I have fond memories of my childhood in Uganda but most of my adult life has been in and around London and south east England. The weather is bad but I can sleep very carefree at night here and that is what counts the most.

    Jaffer RH Manek, Sussex, England.

  3. john.noronha,

    dear B J rubin

    as someone who experienced the entire expulsion process and who remembers it as vividly as if it happened yesterday — i would sugegst that you must check your facts before you proclaim what happend
    Amin actually had 3to 4 expulsion speeches — first British asian, the next all indian ane pakistani citizens and then the 3rd day — all asians with the proviso that the ugandan asian citizens ( like myself ) had to get their citizenship verified thru a rather barbaric process with no due process available
    a week later he indicated that “teachers, doctors and accountants” could stay.

    with power handed over to the army dont think we were dumb enough to hang around to see what would happened
    I do not feel sorry for myself ( as a 3rd generation asian in east africa who never wanted to leave Uganda ) —- i feel sorry and mourn the loss of life of over 400000 black Ugandan citizens many of whon were friends of mine at either Kololo SSK or Makerere Univ among other locations — that was the paramount tragedy of Amin, who regretably nevr got to pay for his atrocities on this planet

    John Noronha

  4. I was quite pleased to see that confusion and obfuscation still exit on the question of the Asian expulsion from Uganda in 1972 – who, how many, where they went. Pleased because to me it shows a niche exists for my book on the subject – Ugandan Asians, Then and Now, Here and There, We Contributed, We Contribute. I am at 840 pages and should wind up by 888 within the next six months. Last week I went to Makerere library Africana archives to look up the Uganda Argus of those 90 days. Amin at one point did say ALL Asians must go but then was careful to disinclude citizen Asians. He ordained that all of these should present themselves at the Immigration Department to have their citizenship papers verified. In this exercise 8K of the 12K nominal Uganda citizen Asians were declared not to have obtained their citizenship legally. Often the grounds were flimsy. Many of the stateless (but also British passport-holders) were taken by Canada. In the last week most of the 4K Asians whose citizenship was confirmed were frightened off from staying by Amin’s threats that they’d have to go and live in the districts. Most of these were picked up by UNHCR and dispersed from the camps to welcoming countries – 22 in all, including Brazil and Argentina. My book should be out by September.
    I am also pleased in a way that not many people know about my book. That means a market exists there. John Noronha has contributed a piece on the history of GISS, Kololo. I hope Manek Jaffer will contribute the piece here. There are >400 such stories, >3000 images, full-colour, hard cover.
    Some of the material from my book is posted on my blogsite vivaeastafricablogspot.com. Comments are welcome from all, even anonymously, the wisdom of which I often wonder about as one particular anonymous(e) makes it a point to distort all my posts to proclaim that I am a propagandist for Ismailis and the Aga Khan. He demands to see proof of my education. Visit and join in!

  5. Monsieur Edward Mulindwa,

    Jonny Rubin

    Iddi Amin instructed the Indians to go and register themselves as Ugandans thus abandoning the foreign citizenship, I do not remember how many weeks he gave them. The Indians you saw that remained in Uganda applied and got the citizenship of Uganda. It is after the cut off time arrived that the departures started. Many of them did not expect him to go through with it for they knew how complicated it would be. There are Indians that flew to UK and flew back into Uganda as the days were getting shorter from 90 days to 39. The real push happened when the army of Bombo barracks was instructed to go to Wobulenzi and attack a family in that trading center. The soldiers under Lt Juma Ali drove to Wobulenzi, Bamunanika road, not Bamunanika road exactly but between that road and just south of the old Post Office, and killed the entire family with kids visitors and so on. Next morning the Indians were lining up in Entebbe for now the man has gone mad he is killing us. BA that was flying out empty started to ask permission to send in extra flights.

    The Indians then started to depart in real earnest.

  6. Mansoor Ladha,

    If Idi Amin didn’t expel Uganda Asians then why so many Uganda Asians left the country of their birth. I have no doubt that Amin expelled Uganda Asians , many of who were third generation Ugandans. I had the occasion to interview many Uganda refugees, now settled in Canada, for my book, A Portrait in Pluralism, and all of them confirmed that Amin was responsible for expelling Uganda Asians.

  7. atul radia,

    I reside currently in Uganda-matters of records can be verified with the office of the secretary to the cabinet in uganda and further,the stance taken by Jim Slater then British High Commissioner to Uganda-1972-from the records of cabinet papers in the UK
    If a Decree was signed without sanction of the Cabinet in formulating threats of expulsion,these would obviously have been under powers bestowed on the President to carry out perhaps an individual wish rather than collectiive as a cabinet
    anyway-it happened-so we must continue

  8. amin,

    Idi Amin did expel all asians from Uganda. Some asians did stay and took the risk but that was purely commercial reasons and not because they were ugandans at heart. Most of the asians were born in Uganda and are ugandans. They loved the country and still do. So anybody trying to rewrite history to make it look anything else other than a racist policy of Idi should ask the ugandan asians living abroad. I am ugandan Asian expelled against my wishes. We will return to reclaim our right.

  9. Vijay J. Bakrania,

    This article made me angry. What’s the big difference if Idi Amin expelled Asians who were citizens, or Asians who weren’t citizens. Idi Amin was still an ass that killed a lot of people and tried to act like he was slick. My dad wasn’t a citizen. My mom and siblings were. That means if the family wants to stay together, they have to leave together. If I had been in a place with a leader like that, I would have left too.

  10. adam a,

    This article/book is inaccurate and full of misinformation. Idi Amin was explicit in his instructions to expel ALL asians. The information you have gathered is wrong and false. Most of the asians had businesses and properties and therefore had a considerable amount to loose. They would not have given all this up without checking first wether they HAD to leave. They are not stupid or dumb. Moreover, after the decision by Idi Amin was made, few weeks later, the then British Foreign secratary visited Kampala to persuade Idi Amin to change his mind. Do you not think, the British FC would have asked for clarification on WHO is meant to leave? The answers was an emphatic — ALL ASIANs and there was not going to be a change of mind!! In modern terms this was “ethnic cleansing”

  11. An outsiders perspective:
    The African states and the local societies expected the South Asians to become part of African society and to show their loyalty by accepting their new citizenship, but only about a third did so, as shown in Table 1.

    Table 1: Number of South Asians registered as citizens in East Africa, 1969.
    Number of Asians in 1969 with local citizenship in 1969
    Tanzania 85,000 25,000
    Kenya 139,000 50,000
    Uganda 74,000 25,000
    Sources: The Minority Rights Group, The New Position of East Africa’s Asians, London 1984 (first edition 1973).

    However, Amin did not make a distinction between citizens and non-citizens. He expelled all South Asians, whether they were citizens or not. Therefore, Ugandan citizens from Asian descent did not enjoy the same rights as Ugandans from Ugandan descent. The Tanzanian Government did nationalise industries that belonged to ‘nationals’, that is Tanzanian citizens. In other words this may not be seen as ‘nationalisation’ but compulsory acquisition. Again, South Asians in Tanzania were more affected than African Tanzanians. However, in the end, the loyalty of those that did accept their new citizenship status was not acknowledged.

    Dr. Gijsbert Oonk
    Erasmus School of History Culture and Communication

  12. Donald sikret,

    where to look for birth certificate from kampala,to whom to write,i write but no any reply,did anyone know where to write and to whom,.during idi amin everything just was gone like newer exist,.scary,amin is real black hitler in africa,

  13. KEN KOTECHA,

    Rewriting history is not uncommon, but patently misrepresenting the situation is quite irresponsible. The claim that Ugandan Asians were not illegally deprived of their citizienship during the verification period is blatantly false. A number of them were rendered stateless during the verification period on spurious grounds without any due process or hearing — a clear violation of established norms of international law. In the article published in The International Lawyer, American Bar Association, 1975, Vol.9, No.1,pp 1-29, I wrote “..these are just a few examples of the arbitrary and highhanded ways in which Asians were declared non-citizens through destruction or disappearance of documents that proved their citizenship. Even those Asians who managed to have their citizenship verified found this to be a mixed blessing. A few days before the expiration of the deadline for departure, the President announced that those Asians who were verified citizens would soon be physically counted, given identify cards, and transported to several rural areas where they would have to carry out subsistence farming. According to the President this was necessary to convert them into “proper Ugandan citizens”…For many this was the limit. It was hardly a choice…”

  14. for Ken Kotecha,
    I was pleased to see your comment to counter some spurious revisionism on this site. You may know that I am writing the definitive book on the expulsion where these kinds of claims are settled and set aside. The book should appear to coincide with the 40th anniversary of the expulsion next year. A major reunion is planned for Munyonyo at the 5-star resort of Sudhr Ruparelia. I should be happy to include your story of how you coped the expulsion. Write me at vali.jamal@yahoo.com.
    Vali Jamal, PhD
    visit www. vivaeastafricablogspot.com

  15. Otim Onyango,

    As an outsider (Kenyan), my perception of Ugandan-Asians is primarily negative. I say this because I have many Ugandan-Asian friends whose parents are ex-pats. One of them explained to me that his grandfather who has now grown senile views blacks as his servants.This says a lot about how Ugandan-Asians treated their black counterparts.

  16. Otim Onyango,

    As an outsider (Kenyan), my perception of Ugandan-Asians is primarily negative. I say this because I have many Ugandan-Asian friends whose parents are ex-pats. One of them told me that his senile grandfather still today views blacks as his servants. This says a lot about how Ugandan-Asians treated their black counterparts.

    As a black African this frustrates me, not only because we were third class citizens under British rule, but when they left the Asians took their place and treated us just as bad. So regardless of how aggravating their situation was, I see it as Uganda getting rid of its colonisers. I say this with no intention of being racist. but it’s unreasonable that a minority population should be allowed to run a whole economy.

    I for that matter would have had little sympathy for them if I lived at this time, considering that they had a tendency to mistreat and look down upon native Africans (Trust me, ‘ve heard many stories… even their spiritual leader Ghandi was a racist).

    With this said I still have much admiration for Indians, because no matter where they go they somehow always manage to do well for themselves.They’re a very business minded bunch.

  17. Mansoor Ladha,

    In this whole debate about the Asians, it must not be forgotten that they opened up the interior of East Africa, many of whom being the only non-black person in the whole area. They taught the Africans the use of money and brought products that they had not ever seen. Whatever good they did appears to be forgotten and many of you have subjected yourselves to the famous Asian-bashing pass time which so prevalent in colonial Africa. As writer Paul Theroux had said the Asians were the most hated community in east Africa, a colonial legacy left by the British,

  18. Abbas Muluubya,

    I think the order was for non-Ugandan Asians to leave. See report; http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/7/newsid_2492000/2492333.stm

    You may also want to read the article; Rethinking Amin: An Asian Perspective

  19. KI LUTS,

    Old Kampala S.S WAS purely asian.do you have kololo ss,i hear when maggie kigozi was there,they were 4 blacks the rest asians

  20. JM,

    It may take 1000′s of years before Uganda gets another leader like Gen Amin. He loved his country and people. He cared about ordinary man. And no wonder that he was betrayed by those he saved from the clutches of Obote I.

  21. george okello,

    My friends,

    In London nowadays, it is quite fashionable for Indian girls to date
    black men. I have seen many such couples. When I lived in Bombay,
    India, I had no difficulty having Indian girlfriends. The only
    difference nowadays is if you don’t marry them, then they have to
    undergo this complicated operation to repair their hymen, often done
    in Holland, in case they have to marry an Indian man because they are
    expected to be a virgin. And, the relationship is often secret because
    the girl will never introduce you to her family, unless they are
    rebelling, and you would have to socialise very far away from where
    she lives, just to avoid being seen by friends or relatives. It is a
    lot easier with the Indian muslims because they go trhough the mosque.

    So the situation is not like it was in Uganda in the 1950′ and 60′s.

    George O. Pacu-Otto

  22. WB Kyijomany,

    Folks:

    You are still trying to figure out why YKM and Mehta continue to reject land after land. From His majesty the Kabaka, Bulambuli farmers in North Mbale and now Sango Bay. Ask yourself the big question: why the rejection?. Well I told you: YKM is using Mabira land as his stake in SCOUL. YKM has no control over the other land but he wants a stake of SCOUL. That is ladies and gentlem is is the evidence beyond any doubt. If it was just about land, more land has been offered but rejected. You can put one and two together.

    BTW, what happened to the sugar project in Sango Bay which was going under Amin?

    WBK

  23. Faiza Hassan,

    There is debate going on in another forum based in US concerning the
    Asians. It is reported that Amin compensated all the Asians who left
    Uganda in 1972 in full. It is further reported that no Asian who left
    Uganda in 1972 has a claim on any property in Uganda. all citizens of
    Pakistan, India and Bangladesh were paid. It is reported that there is
    a year book of 1976 which had Amin’s picture giving a cheque to Indian
    foreign Minister in Kampala.

    Is there any truth of this story.

  24. Godfrey Nsubuga,

    there could be some truth about Amin compesating Asians or some of them, there were rumours that the fires that burnt ministry of finance records about the time the current regme brought them back were related to the subject.
    the problem those who worked with Amin are not talking; Dr. Bisaso in Uk, Princes Bagaya of Toro and former ambassador of Uganda. what do they know?

  25. gaumoy nockrach-laduma,

    Jonny,
    I read that book about thirty years ago. I reacall I had the same feelings as you. I actually criticised it a lot.

    For one Kyemba was Principal Sec to President Obote ( or something like that). He was with Obote in Singapore. If my recollection does justice, he met Amin before travelling to Singapore and promised Amin a present. Amin request an Accordion.

    Indeed, hwen the coup had succeeded, Kyemba abandoned the Obotes and returned to Uganda upon which he delivered the promised accordion to Idi Amin.

    I think he did buy the Rolls Royce or Bantley or whatever which the British High Commissioner had and was hyring it out to wedding couples.

    Did he not become minister of Foreign Affairs after Wanume Kibedi had fled to Kenya?
    Noc’l

  26. gaumoy nockrach-laduma,

    ow Amin is not there so we might never know the actual truth. I was there only a few meters away from Amin when he was announcing the expulsion of Asians ( NON UGANDAN ASIANS).

    This was at Tororo.He did say that he had a “REVELATION” FROM GOD that he must expell all non Ugandan Asians who were “milking” the country’s economy.

    However the truth might have been diguised. An hypothes could be that he had promised the coup makers from Sudan compensations as well as Libyan. Most of whom were allocated abandoned Asian businesses and properties.

    However we should recall that at the time (pre-Amin era), it was already fashion to expell Asians. Both Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania were already expelling Asian businessmen. The UPC government was already expelling Asians before Amin.

    Difference is the sequences. During Obotes / UPCs era the expulsion was successive. BUT AMIN DECIDED TO UPROOT ALL AT ONCE!!!!

    That was the difference. So in a way, the expulsion of Asians by Idi Amin was in effect a continuation of the Obote / UPC policy. And since Amin had inherited Obotes administrators like Kyemba Henry etc., it is perhaps arguable that Idi Amin saw the positive
    impact in the policy and decided to do it big way to impress Ugandan as if it was a new revelation while infact it was already underway byboth Obote, Kenyatta and Nyerere.

    Infact Amin’s “NO PACKING” procedure help the Asians in Kenya and Tanzania to stay because both Kenya and Tanzania were force to halt the process and take a cautious position to appease Europe and Britain in particular.
    Noc’la gaumoy

  27. jim muwanga,

    Lubini

    Try the following

    wwww.africaresource.com there are plenty articles. Many scholars/writers on history of Africa will find here.

    Look for the book “Chimurenga Protocols” This is on Zimbabwe

    Look for a book on the San people of Namibia. I loved this one- its sort of somebody interviewing a San/Bushman Grandmother.

    Look for a book with a hard black cover. Its a pictorial and was compiled by Walter Sisulu

    Try http://www.beforebc.ge or .com This is Marc washington’s site

    Otherwise go to Arab and chinese libraries.

    God Bless

  28. Leonard Okello,

    Amin actually paid compensation to departed Asians through the UK govt, that is fact not fiction and not
    lies!
    Leonard

  29. RASHID,

    True Indian Government was compasented- although not Individual—-

  30. mu;lindwa Edward,

    Why did Museveni through Suleiman Kiggundu turn around and pay them again?

  31. gaumoy nockrach-laduma,

    NOPE, YOU ARE WRONG. IT WAS IN TORORO BUT HE MIGHT HAVE CONTINUED TO SOROTI AND ECHOED THE SAME.

    You are just marking words: no good!! Of course I know that Idi Used the word
    DREAM. We all know it. I used revelation JUST TO DRAMATISE. To flavour, so to say. Don’t get fixed on words.

    And of course a PRINCIPAL PRIVATE SECRETARY IS AN ADMINISTRATOR.

    I was there and I might have seen it just as much as you or even more since I knew may senior government ministers and officers at the time through their children with whom we grew and played. The enire Kololo and Nakasero was our play ground..

    And I had many Asian friends I grew up playing with on top of those who were our family friends.
    Noc’l

  32. Joseph Kamugisha,

    Noc’la:

    The choice of words we use make a very big difference in what we say or write. They can make sense of what one is intending to communicate or throw the entire intended communication out of the window!

    I had to emphasize the words you used because i KNOW for a fact that they were wrong. Amin clearly said on radio, before everything turned out to be headlines in the news papers. You can dramatize all you want but “dreaming” and “revelation” are two different words.

    A “Principal Private Secretary” is NOT by anymeans an “Admninistrator” While the former is a political appointee strictly hired to work with the President in the presidents office on presidential affairs, the former is mainly hired from and within the ranks of the CIVIL service Commision. Administrators in governement ranks are normaly in categories of “Permanent secretaries, Under secretaries, Chief accountants, etc. In the case of Henry Kyemba, he was not a civil servant by the time of the 1971 coup detat, he was working for Obote, in the president’s office, that job entails and enables whoever is the principal private secretary to be wherever the president goes, whereas, administrators, are strictly office positioned with regular schedules of Monday through Friday.

    It may be helful for you to know that not only was i among the FEW Black African, Ugandan kids who were attending Old Kampala Primary School, out of the entire Indian population of both students and staff, by the time Amin expelled the Indians. When the Indians left, the entire school had to shut down, that meant that some of us who were attending all Indian managed schools like Agha Khan, Shimoni, Mandal, Norman Godhino, East Kololo, Aria girls, etc suffered a loss of almost two schol terms.

    It might also help you to learn that i was not only a friend to very many Indian kids, which by the way, cost me a great deal. Because i was fluent Gujarati and Punjabi speaker, but it all evaporated as i grew older, but that is another story. It might equally be good for you to learn that not only did i have many kids whose parents were either government ministers, civil servants, foreign service etc, as friends, but my father was actually a MOFA – Ministry of foreign affairs mployee from the sixties all the way to the time of retrenchment of civil service and governemnt employees uder Museveni. Additionally, most of family member’s were either in the civil service or direct employees of various ministries.

    Besides, i was a very observant kid with a very keen interest in the political scenarios and developments of the day until i left the country in the early eighties, returned in the mid ninetees and left again.

    If you are going to discuss anything about the Amin era or even as far back as the obote 1 and the later part of Obote 11, please be preapred with bwiino!

    Kamugisha

  33. Monsieur Edward Mulindwa,

    There is no smart thing Amin did as the expulsion of Indians. It was that single act that created the current Indian we have in Uganda for this Indian can compete with Kateregga, The Muljibai we had in Uganda was not. Now you have to be smarter to understand the difference between the then Indian and the now Indian.

    That is the home work for today.

    Iddi Amin instructed the Indians to go and register themselves as Ugandans thus abandoning the foreign citizenship, I do not remember how many weeks he gave them. The Indians you saw that remained in Uganda applied and got the citizenship of Uganda. It is after the cut off time arrived that the departures started. Many of them did not expect him to go through with it for they knew how complicated it would be. There are Indians that flew to UK and flew back into Uganda as the days were getting shorter from 90 days to 39. The real push happened when the army of Bombo barracks was instructed to go to Wobulenzi and attack a family in that trading center. The soldiers under Lt Juma Ali drove to Wobulenzi, Bamunanika road, not Bamunanika road exactly but between that road and just south of the old Post Office, and killed the entire family with kids visitors and so on. Next morning the Indians were lining up in Entebbe for now the man has gone mad he is killing us. BA that was flying out empty started to ask permission to send in extra flights.

    The Indians then started to depart in real earnest.

    Sorry that should have read Lt. Col Juma Ali.

    2. Omukulu Abbey Ssemuwemba: Do you remember when I stated that Iddi Amin paid off every single Indian that was told to leave Uganda? Now years later someone I have never seen never known is repeating the exact words I stated. Isn’t that interesting !!!! And I repeat, all Indians that left Uganda were paid and a whole lot of money that Amin got from both Uganda government and Uganda friends at a time. That is why you will never see an Indian that left Uganda poor they had a good some start paid in pounds, so in fact the people that gained the most out of that departure was the Indians and the British government. And that part of truth remains un told for the only story sold is the brutality of Iddi Amin that told the Indians to go. By the way when they are telling it, yes they do not mention why Mukwano is still in Uganda today.
    Very interesting indeed how we selectively tell the truth.

    And this is what is so frustrating for if we had an opposition functioning this is a parliament issue. There is no Indian that is supposed to get any money from Uganda government for they were all paid by Amin. I wonder why we are paying them again, they are just dumping money to the UK idiots. And yes we can hate Iddi Amin all we want but the man paid and very handsomely to all Indians that left Uganda let them not steal money from us again.

    Very frustrating indeed.
    EM

  34. Thomas Omara-Alwala,

    John,

    I hear you. I grew up during the height of the Indian influence in Uganda. I taught in two schools that were controlled by Indians in Uganda at the time. I can tell you worse stories about how racists some of these Indians were to us indigenous Ugandans. But and this is a big BUT, I can’t begin to generalize that “Indians are RACISTS and quite CORRUPT.”
    According to a dictionary, “All statements of fact or truth require generalization. A generalization is a statement based on a finite set of observations and experiences and yet which claims to hold true for the larger set, even for those cases that have not been seen or experienced.”

    Some indians are bad; others are not so bad; still others are good.

    Omara-Alwala

  35. Brenda K Peace,

    Nothing can be done unless their father Museveni leaves power.

  36. Ocaya Mike pOcure,

    Truly, AMIN was right to send the Indian parking. Indians are RACISTS and quite CORRUPT. They could stay in the UK and Uganda but not in Countries where strictness on CORRUPTION is high like in the Scandinavian countries!
    UK is a Capitalist country with practicing Capitalism without human face hence the Indians could swim in the UK!

    OCAYA pOcure

  37. Jonny Rubin,

    EM,
    We are stating the same thing, only a bit differently. I can also see that your memory is somewhat unclear. The expulsion of the non citizen Asians was in 1972. Juma Ali whom many called, ”Butabika” due to his acts similar to a mad man’s, was not yet a Lt. Colonel and was not yet the Commander of Malire Mech. Reg. Bombo.
    You are right though, that some Asians tried at the last moment to acquire Ugandan citizenship. The president had told the Asians to return to their Ugandan citizenship within 90 days. The Uganda TV and Radio read the remaining days every single day.
    What you mention about the killing of the Asians by the soldiers under Juma Ali’s command, was one of the many acts of violence that led to many other Asians to leave the country. Britain offered aeroplanes to take the Asians, but many were not permitted to settle in the UK, despite their UK passports. They were re-settled in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Kenya and else where.
    My prior point was to clarify the misleading report of History that ”Idi Amin expelled the Ugandan Asians”. Briefly, President Idi Amin expelled the non citizen Asians, but not the Ugandan Asians.
    BJ. Rubin.

  38. gaumoy nockrach-laduma,

    Non-citizen Asians were already being expelled by the East African Community states BUT, IN SUSTAINABLE SEQUENCES. The policy and process were on. This was a smoother procedure that allows both for smooth resettlement as well as feeling up the hole to guaranteecontinuation of commercial development. This was a procedure that did not restrain international relations.

    Amin merely hi jacked the policy and decided on an extortionate short cut. The impact is what still haunts Ugandan moral values to this day. It is always hazardous to take over someone else’ thinking / idea without ample time to seriously reflect on or contemplate the consequences.

    Amin did not have that time, yet.Some of us who knew him a little bit long before he even became a Colonel, saw him as the jolly chatter-box who refused to grow up from libido. Just like many boxers were. He was more concerned with his enjoyment and love to draw crowd to hear him talk.

    Those first years of his rule, he just said what he thought people wanted to hear, so to say. Not much contemplations. So were his back-ticklers too.
    Noc’l

  39. Ocaya Mike pOcure,

    Amoti RUBINO and UAH folks,

    First, please brother try to understand what I wrote and why I talk about it. Let us not forget that there exist what is call The CASTE system in India which is itself A RACIST system.

    Back in Uganda in the mid 1950s and even in the early 1960s we used to have schools in Uganda whereby Indians were studying in their own schools meanwhile we Ugandans were studying in our own native schools. The Indians could not mix or get married with Ugandans. What do you people call that?

    Lastly, I saw such events with my own eyes in Uganda. In Kenya where I used to work, I saw how Indians mistreat their Kenyan workers meanwhile in Uganda such brutal mistreatment of Ugandan workers ended when the late AMIN ordered the Indians to leave Uganda.

    OCAYA pOcure

  40. Jonny Rubin,

    My dear friend Ocaya Mike p’Ocure,
    I did understand what you meant. In your mind of course, you exclude those who are discriminated in India by the ”caste system”. However, you ought to remember that even those who are being discriminated are also Indians.
    Perhaps, the right word to state would have been ”many Indians are RACISTS and quite CORRUPT”. I would not even use the word ”Most”. For that would suggest that I know how many they all are and that given the figure I know, my calculation determins that it is the majority who fit the negative adjective.
    I am sure you have followed my stories here and that you are aware that I went to the same school with the Indians. I know that many, including some teachers made negative remarks about Africans, but we, the Africans had also very good friends and some teachers were very friendly and respectful of Africans. I must also agree with you that those who discriminated the Africans went to the extreme discrimination. I remember our Head Master at Bulembia School, an Indian Goa who used to say that, ”We came to civilize you donkeys”, referring to the Africans. In Bukoba, Tanzania I saw an Indian family which owned a restaurant, but treated their African employees with disrespect and discrimination which as a guest I could notice easily. With anger, I told the Tanzanians that, ”these Indians cannot treat Ugandans like this”. One said that, ”the Indians in Uganda were taught discipline by Idi Amin, that’s why they are afraid and are forced by their fear to respect Africans”.
    Ocaya my friend, I understand what you mean, but I think we ought to realize that among the many bad ones, there are also a few good ones.
    BJ. Rubin.

  41. John LEMA,

    Omara
    I agree with what Ocaya said for you have to witness somethings before knowing the impact of the situation. I hope and assume many on this forum were old enough to know what these Indians were and how they treated people those days.

    Even lets not go that far for they are doing this to date. One of my friends told me that one day he tried to park on kampala Rd and and Indian came out and told him that hey you get out of there for no one parks here don’t you know that. This guy was a son to a prominent person and all he told him was this is Uganda so i park any where as long as its a public parking.

    This Indian’s response was do you know who Iam and went ahead to make a call and the next thing was there came some plain clothed security operatives only to find that the person involved was also un touchable and they told him that you had better let this go if you still want to do business in Uganda.

    What Im trying to say is that these people look at us as trash and treat Ugandans as rubbish.

  42. rehema uganda,

    In response to ugandansatheart on May 15, 2011 at 9:09 pm:

    Fellow Ugandans At Heart, I have read books and news papers about Uganda under the presidency of Idi Amin, but I believe that many, if not most of the stories written were selective and / or misleading. Most memorable of the books is probably, the State of Blood by Henry Kyemba. After reading the book, [...]

    ———— ——— —–

    An outsiders perspective:
    The African states and the local societies expected the South Asians to become part of African society and to show their loyalty by accepting their new citizenship, but only about a third did so, as shown in Table 1.

    Table 1:
    Number of South Asians registered as citizens in East Africa, 1969.
    Number of Asians in 1969 with local citizenship in 1969

    Tanzania: 85,000 25,000

    Kenya: 139,000 50,000

    Uganda: 74,000 25,000

    Sources: The Minority Rights Group, The New Position of East Africa’s Asians, London 1984 (first edition 1973).

    However, Amin did not make a distinction between citizens and non-citizens. He expelled all South Asians, whether they were citizens or not. Therefore, Ugandan citizens from Asian descent did not enjoy the same rights as Ugandans from Ugandan descent.

    The Tanzanian Government did nationalise industries that belonged to `nationals’, that is Tanzanian citizens. In other words this may not be seen as `nationalisation’ but compulsory acquisition. Again, South Asians in Tanzania were more affected than African Tanzanians.

    However, in the end, the loyalty of those that did accept their new citizenship status was not acknowledged.

    Dr. Gijsbert Oonk
    Erasmus School of History Culture and Communication

  43. Jonny Rubin,

    Hello Rehema,
    I appreciate your effort to find and share this report with us at the UAH:
    What I can say is that the figures given here may be correct, but the statements that, ”….Amin did not make any distinction between citizens and non-citizens” and that, ”He expelled all South Asians, whether they were citizens or not”, leaves me wondering what the author’s purpose was.
    In Uganda, like Kenya and Tanzania, lived Asians from all corners of the continent. To single out the South Asians makes the report ludicrous. President Amin made his statement clear. He talked of the Asians in general terms and not the ”Southern Asians”, as this author claims. In my previous statement, I mentioned also that some Asians who were citizens chose to stay. I also stated that even some of the citizens were afraid to stay and therefore chose to leave.
    I suspect that the author of this report inteded to inform the world that President Amin expelled all the Asians with no regard to the citizenship. These statements are not correct.
    Having stated that the figures in this report may be correct, I suddenly remember the saying that, ”A truth that’s told with bad intent, beats all the lies you can invent”. I guess, the author’s purpose was to confirm the previous reports that misled the world that ”Amin expelled the Ugandan Asians”.
    BJ: Rubin.

  44. rehema uganda,

    This is an imaginary speech made by president Idi Amin, at afunction at Makerere univ. My vice president, ministers present, my son and wife, all the army commanders, especially me Idi Amin. I salute U and myself in the name of Allah.Today being a friday, I will say few words so that Ihurry 4 prayerz at the main church of Islamic. For that matter, let me express all my hunger 2 ol Makererians. Eg , i was under my bed at half past lunch in the night wen i saw my 4ne ringing & i caught it.Hullo, hullo. I told the 4ne.

    The phone told me that Makererians want 2 strike b’se of many mosquitoes plus few lice 2 eat.Now U makererians, wat do U want me 2do? Because I remember buying a bird frm Entebbe 2 come & spread malaria so that mosquitoes die. Iam glad 2 inform U dat I hav paid 4 20kg of electricity frm Jinja so that yo beans are cooked full not half.Now b4 I finish, Iwant U 2 know that Iam the African, Uganda’s, kampala’s most known fieldmartial ready c fight U if U go on strike. For that matter, I will bring the army of Kampala, the Uganda police of Kenya, and the US army of Tanzani to beat U bullets.Thank you and clap 4me b’se iam tired.Hahahahahahaha.

    May his soul RIP.

  45. Jonny Rubin,

    Hello Rehema,
    I have been followingy your mails here and they all seem very serious, of course with the very appreciated news, or information you always convey. What I mean is that you have shown me, perhaps with some others that you actually have a tremendous sense of humour. This imagination about Idi Amin simply exhibits that. I have enjoyed reading about it and it has brought back some history in my mind.
    You wrote, ”…..I remember buying a bird frm Entebbe 2 come…….”. This reminds me of a former cultural Leader of Kigezi, John Bikangaga, who was better known by his tittle, ”Engabo ya Kigezi” (the Shield of Kigezi). I was told that when he travelled to London for the first time, probably the only time, he told his hosts about his journey from Entebbe to London. That he tried to translate even names of places in Uganda into English. For instance, he said, ”I flew with a bird from En-chair to London….”. I was told that he must have felt very much loved by the British, because he was always around so many people who laughed and seemed to enjoy his stories about Uganda.
    In 1977 the Uganda Armed Forces Boxing Team fought against the Sudan Armed Forces Boxing Team. The tournament was held at Lugogo in-door Stadium. The Guest of Honour was the then Vice President of Uganda, General Mustafa Adrisi. Before the tournament commenced, Gen. Mustafa Adrisi made a speech in Kiswahili, but even the Swahili speakers might have found it difficult to comprehend. The beginning of his speech was obviously a signal that there was ”trouble” ahead. He is from the Aringa tribe, so that the word ”nye” gives them trouble to pronnounce. He said, ”Uganda Army Sudan na Uganda Army munee….” (the Uganda Army of Sudan and the real Uganda Army…..) Perhaps the people did not have the courage to laugh, but clapped very much and for an unusually long duration. The speech was long, perhaps the General was encouraged by the seemingly jubilant crowd. Those who spoke and understood Kiswahili well might have concluded that, ”General Mustafa Adrisi said nothing in a way that left practically nothing unsaid”.
    Rehema, thanks for the story, I truly enjoyed it.
    BJ. Rubin.

  46. Oscar Navio,

    Dear Forumists,

    Idi Amin expelled those Asians who were living in Uganda but chose to hold British nationality in preference to the Ugandan nationality. He had given them a choice: to be Ugandan citizens or to be British. It was not a “throw the Muyindi out social- political movement”. Those who chose to stay behind remained and continued to lead normal lives in business. Dembe Enterprises (Karim Hirji), Mukwano Group of Companies (Amir Karmali) are the memorable names. I know it because I am related to Dembe (karim Hirji)’s first wife, an African called Cissy – the mother to Rahim, Karim’s first son. I spent most of my high school weekends at Karim’s house in Bugoloobi during the Amin days. Let no one peddle lies.

    Secondly, what is often carefully not mentioned is the fact that every Muyindi who left was compensated in full!!!! by Amin’s government. That is why they got even richer in UK and Canada where they settled. it was not due to “hard work”. No. they pressed Amin’s government to overpay the departed Asian as a method of economic sabotage. Now, When you see them (the Asians) coming back and “re-possessing their property” you shudder. This is a thieving racket between Museveni and the Asians – they share the loot. No wonder most of them, on ‘repossessing’ their property, sell them off the following day. They know that a new government will force them to return the double payments they received.

    This is a scandalous fact that no one wants to reveal because it involved all the big names you know.

    Oscar

  47. Mansoor Ladha,

    I would like to refute Thomas Omara-Alwala & Ocaya Mike pOcure that Indians are racists and quite corrupt. During my stay in Tanzania and Kenya, I came across several Africans who were also racists and corrupt, But on the other hand, I came in contact with other Africans who were “good” and I am still proud to call them as my friends. So gentlemen, there are good and bad people in every race and stop generalizing and painting the whole race with one brush.

  48. Jonny Rubin,

    Mr. Oscar Navio,
    With this information you have given, I think you are a blessing to this very history of Uganda. I explained what happened, but wondered why the truth is never mentioned. I gave an example of the family of Governor Bashir Juma of the Southern Province, among many other Uganda citizens of Asian decent who chose to stay, but to my surprise, Rev. Kamugisha chooses to attach an email conveyed prior to the one with the answer. Even then, the question of Rev. Kamugisha is misleading. ”………the Asians of Indian origin?”
    Rev. Kamugisha, President Amin mentioned the ”Asians” and not a nationality. There were those from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Seychelles, to mention just a few who were concerned with the announcement. Answering questions from fellow UAH, I mentioned a former classmate I met in Christchurch, New Zealand, whose family had chosen to leave Uganda, although they were citizens. They were not forced to leave Uganda, but were afraid to stay and that’s why they left. I hope this answers your question, but feel free to ask, if there is something else you wish to know about this subject.
    BJ. Rubin.

  49. john LEMA,

    Oscar,
    Thanks for enlightening people on UAH that always judge others on what they hear without facts because most of those that have commented on this issue have no first hand information on what they say other than what they only hard and that was based on one sided conversation.
    Yesterday we surprisingly happen to have a discussion with a group of Ugandans that come from all walks of the country and the same topic came up and one of my cousins that happens to be PHD holder said an interesting thing that she wishes she recorded every conversations that she had with different people from Uganda that went through Amin’s tough arms but continued to love him just because they knew one way the other they were on the wrong.
    She actually promised to do a documentary based on the truth and it will mainly involve those that went through the hard tough hands but continued up to date to love this man and will always defend him at any cost.
    Wow I wish we Ugandans learned to be truthful in everything we do and say what a waste we have in intelligent people that are just throwing it away.

    JBL

  50. kateregga mbaraka,

    ITS TRUE. ACTUALLY UGANDAN TELEVISION USED TO SHOW ALL THE BIG EVENTS WHEN MOSES ALI WOULD BE HANDING A FIRST AND A SECOND CHEQUE TO THE THEN BRITISH AMBASSADOR PAYING OFF THE PROPERTY OF THE DEPARTED ASIANS EXCEPT FOR AGHAKHAN WHO HAD DONATED ALL HIS PROPERTY TO THE MUSLIMS
    BUT WE ALL SEE THEM REPOSSESSING WHAT WAS LEGALLY PAID OFF WHAT CAN WE DO ITS THE ORDER OF THE DAY
    SOME OF THESE PEOLE PAID SOME GOOD MONEY TO NRA WHILE IN THE BUSH DAYS AND THE ONLY PROMISE WAS THIS GOLDEN HANDSHAKE

  51. Oscar Navio,

    Dear Forumists,

    I think there should be a “Committee for Truth in History” in Uganda.

    The lies are too much. No Asian (who left Uganda in 1972) has a claim on any property in Uganda. And I am sure some day, those properties will return to the government and those who shared the loot with the Asians in the guise of “repossession” will be brought to book.

    Oscar

  52. Olive Bagonza Birungi,

    Oscar, all citizens of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh were paid. There is a year book of 1976 which had Amin’s picture giving a cheque to Indian Foreign Minister in Kampala. Stateless were also paid but some of the documents were destroyed in Addis Ababa and Geneva when Shafiq Arain was in government during Obote ll.
    Uganda’s efforts to pay British Asians failed as Britain was maneuvering to replace Amin with a puppet.
    Ugandan Asians were not paid and are justifiable to reclaim property.
    l agree with you that government people collaborated with Asians to reposess property that had been paid for and it should be confiscated again.

    l think Custodian Board wounded up even the last minister in charge of it may have been Basonga Nsandhu after Steven Kavuma and the late Kintu

  53. Lance Corporal (Rtd) Patrick Otto,

    Amin is actually suspected/thought to have been a member of the Buganda Royal family, a factor that even caused his parents to divorce in 1931 when Amin was only 9.

    Read here:
    http://ucangift99.0catch.com/pols/The%20Monitor%20The%20Independent%20Daily_%20IDI%20AMIN%20DADA%201925%20-%202003%20Profile%20of%20a%20regime.htm

    Idi Amin’s father served in the 4th King’s African Rifles (KAR) from 1915 to 1920 and joined the Uganda Police in 1921. His job in the Uganda Police was to administer corporal punishments called kibooko to natives.
    Idi Amin’s parents separated in 1931 while living at a new police barracks at Kololo. Apparently, the separation resulted from suspicion that Idi Amin, the baby, had been fathered by Daudi Chwa rather than by Dada.
    Idi Amin’s mother got money from the Kabaka and built a house at Kitubulu near Entebbe. Amin’s father, Dada, rejected him. He grew up with his maternal family.

  54. okurut simon peter,

    At the time, Daudi Chwa was king of Buganda, correct? During those days, all women belonged to the king who was kind enough to give men chance to keep them, correct? So, Dada the caretaker of Amin’s mother overreacts because the owner (Chwa) produces with his wife a bouncing baby-boy, Idi Amin, correct? To show his caring love for his wife and bouncing son,, Daudi Chwa gives his wife aka woman-friend, money to build a house, and baby Amin grows up, an unidentified royal and spoke Luganda as his first language ( by the way, I am told he spoke it a UN as one of the international languages, jamming the translation system). He becomes a president, with people thinking that he was just and ordinary man, when he had royal blood. I watched a Nigerian movie that depicted a similar theme..

    If this story is true, then we have had a family where two siblings have been presidents in Uganda: first Edward Mutesa and and later Idi Amin, both sons of Daudi Chwa, wow! Might the blood factor have played a role in Mutesa’s overthrow and later Obote’s? Amin knew that Mutesa was his half brother but Mutesa did not know. Mutesa is openly loved, Amin becomes jealous but manages to suppress his jealousy. He works his way up, helps Obote to depose his step brother something that takes him close to the high office and after some time, he removes the family enemy (Obote) thus he takes back the seat of power to the family. Could this explain why there were big celebrations when Obote was overthrown? To appease their father, Amin organizes the return of Mutesa’s remains for a decent cultural burial. Other Ugandans praise Amin for his good heart even when he was not a Muganda, he returned the remains of their king, only some elders and Amin knew why they did what they did! Kabaka Mutebi should organize family re Members, I am sorry if I have over-stretched my mind, but I am trying to connect dots. I have been mistaken for somebody two times. First it was a Musoga lady who ran to greet me claiming that I was her brother. Initially I thought she knew me, but later she realized I was not the brother because I could not speak Lusoga. Then she declared that I was exactly like her brother. Another time, it was a Munyankole man who hugged me left and right, I managed a little Kinyankole but with Kitoro accent. We then stopped to take stock of each other. He claimed that I was exactly like his brother. I am told I resemble my father. At the time I was born, my father was a frequent resident of Mbarara and Jinja. By the way, these away matches did not spare even “saint-looking” leaders.

    I don’t know if Hon. Jimmy Akena knows that he has a step- brother in Kumi Mzee Adoko Nekyon knows that his brother Apolo Obote has a son in Kumi. The boy is exactly like his step brother the bishop, one of Akena’s brothers. It would be good if Hon. Ekena looks for his step-brother and start frequenting Teso as a son of the soil, who knows those people there may help him in his party- presidential bid.

    One time my uncle passed away. We were listing the number of his children and grand children to be announced as it the custom. One close friend of the late told me to include one boy in Canada, that the boy (son) had five children. We argued because I thought I knew who my cousins were, but the old man told me to keep quiet because I I did not know much and in any case the boy in question was older than me. I convinced him to exclude that boy.

    The bad thing with some men is hiding babies they get with some women, that is why I like men like Amin and now Kabaka Mutebi for coming up in the open to own their children.
    It is true, the family members may have the right answers. I think sometime back Jaffer Amin said that his grand father was called Dada, which is fairly in line with this story. Jaffer Amin is the family academic who has much information, last time he said that their land in Arua is being threatened by the airport authority.

    Another story about the “Dada” name alleges that when Amin was in Nairobi, he used to defy the barracks rules of not allowing women in. The story ran that Amin would take girl after girl to the barracks and when asked he would claim that the girls were his sisters and in Kiswahili,”dada” mean sister. The claim says Amin would say, ” Hi ni dada yangu), next day he would say then same story till the authorities declared all girls going to see Amin as his sisters ( Wa Dada wa Amin) loosely tranlated, ” Those are Amin’s sisters,” so he got the nickname “Dada.” I will take Jaffer’s story.

    Sometimes you cannot know your father. I have seen families break because of such babies, there are men who cannot accept a baby produced by another man, but in Teso sometimes elders tell the complaining man to leave the matter, that babies are born to the clan. You get surprised to see a child who resembles Mulindwa from toe to hair in say Barigye’s home, and Barigye’ sweats to foot all the bills. These things happen, only we choose to keep

    Peter Simon Okurut

  55. Mansoor,

    I am amazed at the racist remarks that are being made against the Asians and everyone of you who have commented negatively can equally be classified as racist. If the Asians were so corrupt and racist, then why did the present government of Uganda asked them to return. Obviously, the government definitely knew their value and contribution to bring the economy in stable condition.
    And everyone of you who maintain that Asians were paid by Idi Amin is wrong as I have friends and relatives from Uganda who vow that they were never paid a single cent. In fact, Amin’s soldiers took pleasure in opening suitcases of departing Asians and snatched whatever they wanted. They didn’t even have a clean conscious to leave fleeing people in peace.

  56. REHEMA,

    IDDIL AMIN’S ACHIEVEMENTS IN 9 MONTHS OF HIS REIGN:
    ‘……….Idi Amin yateekawo Uganda Airlines mu 1977, yazimba Earth Satellite (ekyuuma ekigata Uganda ku nsi yona) e Mpooma, Mukono District. Yazimba Uganda Conference Centre ne Nile Hotel kati eyitibwa Serena era nga ebyo yabikolera mu myeezi mwenda mu 1975 nga Olukiiko lwa Organization of African Unity lujja wano. Yamaliriza Uganda House, yagaziya Entebbe Airport, era nagulira Uganda ekizimbe mu New York. Waliwo n’Enkambi z’amagye (army barracks) zeyazimba mu bifo ebitali bimu era yakola ne bilara bingi okukulakulanya Uganda.”

    SOURCE: http://um-bs.com/2012/03/09/obusilaamu-bwaleeta-busuuti-mu-buganda/

  57. Rev. Joseph Kamugisha,

    ….Amin, yasimba omusingi gwa Baanka eyali eyitibwa “UCB” okumpi ne headquaters ze Buggala District offices, mu Kalangala District. Banka eyo, yamalilizibwa nga wayise wo emyaka kumpi amakumi asaatu! Amin, ye mukulembeze yekka, eyazimbilra a’bakozi ba gavumenti mu District ye Kalangala. Enyumba ya “DC” ne Assistant “DC”, “Veternary officer”, “DEO” awamu ne’ ssomero lye byokulima “Ssese Farm School”.

    Ono bwiino mulina ko obukakafu, kubanga, nakolelako e’ Sssese, mu bizing ebisuka mu makumi ana.

    I think we can agree that among the vast problems Uganda is facing, Human resource, skilled and professional alike and the capacity to deliver, has never been the problem. It is rather, the road blocks and continued obstacles created by the Kampala regime that are hindering meaningful progress and better intensives to attract such potential.

    There was nothing like “Economic Independence…” in what Amin did after the 1972 Asian community expulsion, if that is what you are talking about. Economic independence, comes with means to sustain what one has inherited. Why was Uganda importing the so called “essential commodities” like sugar from Cuba, when we had FREE sugar plantations in Lugazi and Kakiri? Why was our neighbouring Kenya, dubbed the “London of Uganda?” Very simple! Because, everything from toilet paper, scholastic materials, Batta shoes, salt, Blue band, Colgate, Razor blades, Safety pins, Cement [As if we did not have Hima in Tororo]

    I was a kid by the time Idi Amin expelled the Asians, did you know that some schools like the one i was attending at that time had to literary shut down until new teaching staff and more students had to be filled in?

    Awarding departed Asian stores and other businesses to indigenous illiterate Ugandans, was one of Amin’s biggest problems among the numerous problems he created. Tell me one Ugandan who inherited from the Amin business award, who is still operating today. I know some were doing alight during Amin’s time and still doing fine today. But where are the rest and what happened to the inherited loot? It took the late Samson Kissekka, to force City traders and business owners to repair, remodel, paint and clean after themselves in the buildings they had for free!

    Ugandan’s were in business and doing competitive business before Amin “opened their eyes…!!” It was a matter of levelling the playing ground. That was the only problem. Asians, worked together in building their businesses, in fact, they are always more united on that front as compared to our fellow Africans who are specially known in the business of “POD” Pulling Others Down syndrome.

    The likes of the late Thomas Katto, of Ssanyu Tissues, was in business along side with the Ugandan Asians. The late Walusimbi- Mpanga, was was back in business with the same Asians Amin expelled. In fact, Mpanga, besides Katto, he was the first known “Millionaire” in Uganda, before the title of “Millionaire” was replaced with today’s “Tycoons” and “Billionaires” in the country. Mr. Wavvamunno, was in business along side with the said Asians and so were sevral land owners and Real estate moguls.

    Rev. Joseph Kamugisha
    USA

  58. MBALU,

    I think that’s the most terrible mistakes of all educated elite. Today Ugandans are able to do business bce of Amin. He opened their eyes. Tell us what has been done since Amin left Uganda? Don’t blame Amin for your failures.

    Good examples but those including Kulubya were the only Ugandans the rest were safisa siriware ya mama na byombo. Wuliriza Omugenzi Ssebaduka – Omuyindi Kondo. What have you done to repair Amin’s damages?. Tell us

  59. Kamugisha,

    Am sorry, but you are confusing me the more you write! I only mentioned the names that immediately came to mind but there are lot more than the Katto, Walusimbi, Kulubya and ssijuyi ayina “safisa vyombo,….!!” “Omuyindo Kondo…” Tell me how many Asians are in government today and how many of them are “Nnyodoying” or “Milking” Uganda today? Ssebaduka, was just stereotyping in his songs as many do after the fall of some individuals.

    Lastly, what “Damages” are you talking about? The Economic “damage”, Political “Damage”, Medical “Damage”, Educational “Damage”, Social “Damage”, Religious “Damage” the East African Community “Damage” or Human rights abuse “Damage?!”

    Kamugisha

  60. SJ,

    My Father and his family were expelled from Uganda they moved to England (London) My Father married a British women(white) and lives a happy life his brothers etc are the same except they married into the Pakistani community all are successful. My Fathers family owned a shop in Kampala and all was taken from them they came to England with nothing. I personally put the blame on the British government as they shouldnt have colonised India and Uganda in the first place.

  61. Jonny Rubin.,

    What a beautiful piece of history! Eh, history is being corrected and re-written right here at the UAH. However, I think that the future writers of Uganda history will find it hard, as today all the written work expects challenge from unsuspected viewers. Fellow Ugandans At Heart, keep up the good debate, it is all for the love of our country, Uganda.

  62. uk indian,

    hi. my parents were born in uganda and of indian origin. my grandfathers busine were taken away and thry forced to leave the coubtry.thr

  63. Robert Atuhairwe,

    Actually, i feel bad each time Museveni says something unkind about Amin.
    Amin was in the other generation. This is a new page. H.E must forget about
    Amin. Those were the times, whether he did evil or excelled beneficially.
    What prompts Kaguta’s son to remind you of the horrible past is his rivals
    always raising the comparisons. Remember, they appreciate only when one is
    gone.

    No man is bad at both ears and “Amin” doesn’t infer meanness on all who
    served in that time. Some acted on orders from wherever, others served
    impeccably while others got away under humanitarian and conciliatory
    procedures. We are ever saying let’s do away with violence, war,
    provocation, unscrupulous talk if we must move forward.
    If everyone thought like me (sorry about that), we would have world peace.
    However, that won’t happen.

    Amin was an international pariah only understood by the likes of
    Gaddafi, Bokassa, Mobutu, Tolbert, and so on. He was rather too blunt
    with no pretence to mass appeal. A real soldier applying Sergeant’s
    mess banter to sophisticated diplomacy and political science.

    Deliberately, Amin draws lots of sympathy from me. Had he seen more
    blackboards, he could have fared much better. He had the heart of a
    child. Could easily snap at shock, surprise and provocation. Years
    after he was sent packing, he said he had been in danger from his own
    service men, particularly the State Research Bureau, who he claimed
    wanted to kill him all along. At his inauguration, he warned that he
    wasn’t a politician but a professional soldier. This man was therefore
    taken for granted, not helped.

    Today, we are seeing this again and it’s not about Amin. Once some
    sections take their leaders for granted, the game tends to go into
    extra time where juju, old tricks are conjured. That we must avoid.
    Steering things in reverse is a curse. Amin may have died a holy man
    yet skulls populate this ground. Some of these people are under
    unbelievable pressure; bad things done in their name and the good
    claimed by others. There are worse Amins who will never see the light
    of power. Trust me. One mistake was enough. Controls are in place only
    if we are organised.

    Amin was a lesson; not a

    Way forward: balance our game considerably, have empathy, sympathy, respect,
    be organised, accept responsibility, selflessness, etc.

    Yes we can!

    Thank you.

    Robert Atuhairwe
    0772468064

  64. mulindwa,

    Robert Atuhairwe

    And to change that you need to start to understand the importance of your
    country. With that understanding then you can see the good things Iddi Amin
    did for the country and build on them but get the bad things he did in the
    country and change them to be good. You are not helping yourselves by
    standing up and blaming a man that was truly an illiterate yet he did way
    more than all of you degree holders combined , and you start by destroying
    everything he did, at that point you turn your country into regression.
    There was no man that empowered Baganda as AMO, they held the most powerful
    positions in his government, and these were really powerful positions unlike
    Kissekka that would not summon a minister to his office. Baganda like Abu
    Mayanja were truly powerful in that government and made policies, but
    Baganda failed to realize that and they hated Obote to bringing a Dog to
    Wankulukuku as his heirer. That very Dog has lead Baganda and by the time it
    will be done with them, they are going to walk and on foot to Akokoro and
    face AMO’s grave where they will call him and he will not respond.

    Let us appreciate Iddi Amin for he was a nationalist leader or tell me how
    you have done any better than him 33 years down the God damn road.

  65. Gwokto La'Kitgum,

    The Brits failed every land they stepped on – let alone colonize. The Brits have been and are still good at deflecting blame to victims themselves. Amin was made the animal the world has come to forcefully confirm because of British dictatorship. And that is yet anther obnoxiously visible truth that political historians have missed or failed to acknowledge – that, the Brits and other Euro colonialists were indeed DICTATORS. Amin had to do what he had to because he, like many of us today, hated colonial powers over the African. In fact, he hated Europeans and his plans were hell-bent on exploiting their resources as they did to Africa or at the minimum, humiliate and belittle them as thieves and beggars. Was Amin a good leader? Yes he was – depending on each one’s own understanding of leadership. Dude couldnt have ruled for 8 yrs if he wasnt. Then again, his plans were warped up in his mind to the extend he believed some of them were directly sent through cyberspace by God. He had so many plans for Uganda and believe me, all were his own. Who would want to question a man who categorically emphasizes that he leads according to his own democracy and thinks on what is good for the people he leads WITHOUT the middleman. Mark you, he even knew there were such scrupulous people called middlemen whom he never trusted to be innocent messengers. Ever heard Amin delegating his powers? No. Never. Tala. Nada. Zip. Zero. except one. He trusted no man and let alone middlemen. I want to believe that the next victim in the gallows was going to be Bob Astles. With Amin the closer one got, the greater the the increasing chance or misfortune of being killed. Killing was the only power he ever delegated. the man loved to see his victims dead. But he didnt want to spill blood himself. I am still to confirm Amin truly killed somebody during his regime. I know many will say he shot Lowum as widely stated but I totally disagree he did. He didnt have the stomach to do this. He outsourced the murder of the trio.

    Do people realize that Amin was a quick-learn? His English vocabulary within 8 years of rule is actually equivalent to Kaguta’s after 50 years independence anniversary and besides, he sounded more eloquent and easy to understand than Kaguta’s struggling accent. And to be honest, he was more knowledgeable than Kaguta. Period.

    Listen to a famous Kaguata quote I discovered recently among the world’s silliest quotes online about the chpopers crash in Kenya and tell me what sense you could have made out of it or how quick you could have understood what he meant without a background info on the crash: “Some people they say accident. It may be an accident, it may be something else, Either the pilot panicked, or there was some side wind, or the instruments failed, or there was an external factor”. Amin would verbally shoot the pilots in the leg telling them they were ill-trained and stupidos. End. Or you think Amin would have refereed to a strong turbulence as “side-wind”> No. Both men have been jetting across the world many years and heard the pilots anounounce imminent turbulence. Amin would have saved this word in his memory a long time ago and used it appropriately

    So, everyone should first accept that Amin inherited dictatoriship and its tendencies from the British.

    In conclusion, Amin was a warrior. period. And that is why he loved the Acholi Otole warrior dance. Museveni is a thief. Period. And, nothing else but a robber. Both inherited something in common from the Brits — DICTATORSHIP.

    ___________________________

    Gwokto La’Kitgum

  66. millu,

    This seems like a Fools forum….full of deluded people who imagine that Amin was some great leader. He was no more than a Buffoon…forget the asians…think of the Africans he killed and places he decimated..how can you call yourselves patriotic Ugandans when he killed so many citizens of Uganda ?…He even ate some of them..killed his own wife or two…a bloody cannibal…You complain about asians and British rule…they gave you the infrastructure you have …the railways…roads ..hospitals etc…what have YOU done in 50 years of independence ?…what have you built ?…you still depend on AID from foreign countres…and even the new dam at Bujagali was built with asian money (Aga Khan)…and you forget to mention the corruption in Uganda today…who is responsible for that ?…Its the Africans…so look at your backside before you open your mouths…

  67. Pinki,

    Were you there are you Asian that suffered NO do shut the hell up

  68. Dipak,

    I fully understand the need for this article. re-writing history based on fantasy has been around since the dawn of time, but alas, my delirious Ugandan conspiricist friends, you won’t be able to hide this under the carpet so easily. Idi Amin’s legacy of ethnic cleansing and butchering of his own citizens is something you have to ACCEPT, not deny or point the fingers of blame elsewhere to. Shame on you for stooping so low to make such a desperate and pitiful attempt at denying the stain that will forever tarnish the history of Uganda.

  69. millu,

    Well said Dipak and Pinki…Like I said before this forum is full of deluded people who seem to have an agenda of their own.
    I was there and recall all of what Amin said and did..He was a buffoon but he did more harm to the Africans than he did to the Asians…He Killed almost a million people…A lot of Asians are actually very grateful to Amin as they now have lives they could never have dreamt of in Uganda..So, please get your facts right before you open your mouths and spout rubbish..In this day and age anyone can get hold of a laptop and get on the internet and talk rubbish..

  70. Abbas Muluubya, the wise people usually say that, “Better late than never”. The link you provided in regard to the expulsion of the Asians by President Idi Amin will always be appreciated. I had decided never to write about this subject because some people claimed to know better. Although I stated the statements made by a former classmate of mine, a Pakistani Ugandan whom I met in Christchurch, New Zealand, some UAH were determined to “prove me wrong”. I simply got tired of defending what I knew was the right piece of history.
    The link you provided has given me an opportunity to relax, knowing that our readers have the right answer. Thank you very much.
    BJ. Rubin.

  71. Joseph Kamugisha,

    in 1973 Amin, sent Ugadan troops to fight along side with the Arabs against Israel. Amin sent Ugandan troops to fight in the former Zaire now DRC during the Katanga province war. Amin, threatened the late Kenyatta to sieze the Eastern art of Kenya boardering with Uganda. Amin, insulted the late Nyerere by comparing with a woman and that he would have married him had it not been for his age and grey haired head before making his first military attack through Kagera post. Before the attack of TZ, he conspired with the late Arafat to rerout the hijacked Air France to Entebbe, hence the 1976 Israeli invasion (90 minutes at Entebbe) Amin, insulted the Queen of England almost provocking a military strike on his sorry self. While there are no known reports on Amin in terms of coruption, we know that he caused great financial loss to the departed 1972 Asian community from the country, the British, the Canadians, Americans and Israelis who were all given between twenty four to fourty eight hours to leave the country. Killing less people than Museveni, is possible, however, history will reveal the facts after the fact. Kamugisha

  72. john kwitonda,

    Unlike Museveni, he stole no money from the state.he burnt no tombs ,he killed no people in wagons, he killed no people in churches

  73. Rev. Kamugisha,

    Well, he killed religious leaders, he stole Church property, he burried many on river nile, he shot others in public places without trial. All sins are equal before God the Almighty. Museveni may have commited more in his thirty years compared to 8 years of Amin, but they will both one day stand answerable for their accounts before their God. Kamugisha

  74. joseph magandazi,

    Joseph Kamugishs,
    True Amin offered to marry Nyerere, that is no insult especially in US, true Amin conspired with late Arafat but the same Arafat was give red carpet welcome in US and other countries thereafter,true he threatened to attack Kenya this is what M7 has done lately sending troops into Kenya, did you not read how Ugandan troops crossed into Kenya did havoc before and after the 1st disputed elections or the recent disputed island in the middle of lake victoria? I need not to repeat my self about similarities M7 has with Amin and in most cases worse than Amin !!!!!

  75. Majid Alemi Junior(Amin's son),

    Well some few people in this forum do have much hatred for idi amin by trying to re write false about al-hajid idi amin dada? but the facts remains facts. [a] the high profile people kidnaped in the country and killed were the job of fronsa, their collaboraters working in uganda, reciving orders from their chief who were in tanzania, M7 do order them to highjake people like the chief justice bendicto kiwanuka in the high court. killed and taken to nakasongola and burried there. where army barracks are now with other three. to implicate idi amin. [b] the late arch bishop and late erinayo oryema, the late oborth ofumbi, involve in serious crime of smuggling ILLEGAL arms into the country to overthrow idi amins government. the arms were sealed in petrol tanker from mombasa to uganda sent by milton appolo obote. destination to be hiden to the church where arch bishop janani luwum was the incharge at mengo. the arms were siezed by security offials in uganda after recieving tips informations from one of our agencies in mombasa. all those arms were displayed at nile mansion for public to see. president amin invited international media around the world to witness with their eyes what the archbishop and others the crime they commit by allowing the ILLEGAL arms in the country and hide in the church. no one are above the law. they were brought to nile mansion. the spent the night with the president amin. next morning the public came the see the chinese made ak47 guns. idi amin appointed brig. dusman sabuni as MC. those of janani luwum were interviewed with international and national media at nile manshion. then the president ask for them to be taken to army officers mess opposite. nakasero presidential lodge. they were driven . their driver drve to first and collide with trailler truck in between buganda road and nakasero road. near tv and radio station. all died plus the driver. the inccidents were recorded by borth international media and security video tape in the van behind them. the international media were in the hilicopter took the video of what hapens. check with bbc. and other media. this are the facts. i was with my dad at nile manshion. we remains there. we so security tape what happens. now for those who were familier with area very well, the state research office building were ditence far from the sciene. the bulding were next to french ambassador. on nakassero raod far. i will continue for next issue.

  76. Majid Alemi Junior(Amin's son),

    Now those people found guilty by army court marshall and sentence to death and executed in public by firing squad committed very serious crimes of espionage, haghjacking high profile people murdering them in cold blood. in order to implicate idi amins government. some ladies were sent from tanzania to poison army soldiers, and officers, the intelligence agencies in the country. they pay for serious crimes they commites these are the facts most of these documents are classified. i will try my best to screen some of them declasified it for the public to se what hapens exactly. me and my groups protected dad in so many plots people try to assasinate him. the groups of fronansa did attempted to kill major general idirisi mustapher on kampala jinja road, he was injured on his legs all this to implicate al-hajid idi amin dada. the president took him to cairo for treatment. i many to tell the public to know the reality of what was hapening during dads time. my regars.. majid mzebaba.

  77. Rev Kamugisha,

    Majid.Alemi Junior: Am trying.hard to restrain myself from calling you another lier based on your charges in praise of the defunct Fronansa. I can help you to understand the cause of the motor accident which narowly claimed Mustapha’s life. I was among the three hundred detainees at Luzira maximum prison at the orders of Idi Amin, having found us at Makerere Full Gospel Church, during one of the monthly Pastors conference. SRB bous invaded the Church, beat us so badly, destroyed Church property and bundled us in their vehicles to Nakasero. I will not go in details of took place in that deadly place. We were transfered to CPS and later to Upper prison. To cut the three months story short, I will tell you that from day one at Nakasero, Amim wanted us dead by way of burning us alive. Our survival was according to some SRB agents, was the lack of gasoline! But we know that wasnt the case because they had moving cars and they could have used just a little less than five litters to do the job. It was the Prayers of the Saints that saved us! Back to Luzira, the night before the accident, some of the Prison senior officials, secretly came to us in the night and told that tomorrow Mustapha, is scheduled to come to visit us. He added, ” If you have ever prayed hard, tonight, is your time to pray even harder!” The officer left us with a very good tip. We started right away. The following morning, we began our fast by desisting the morning poridge and the ten o’clock lunch. We prayed in turns and in small groups in order to avoid detection. Uganda flags were posted all over the jail. Convicted prisoners kept us informed about the news on radio. Shotrly after arround four in the afternoon, one of the convicts came by our Political detainees wing and told us that Mustapha had been involved in a terrible motor accident and that he was the omly survivor in his entire convoy. We did not rejoice but rather prayed more. Three months later, the desperate Idi Amin, sent Kassim Obura, The head of the SRB and the Commisioner of Prisons the late Sentamu, to come and talk to us about our release. We later learned that Mustapha had a mission either sentence us to life imprisonment or get killed by firing squad. Any wonder why our most Powerful God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ had to intervene before Mustapha could strike? Majid, Fronansa, had no hand in that accident. It was God! Kamugisha

  78. okurutu simon peter,

    ‘Surely, this is outrageous, that some people would orchestrate murder of innocent people because of religion, as shown on this link: http://um-bs.com/2012/08/07/a-detailed-account-of-the-1979-massacre-of-muslims-in-western-uganda/. In Soroti or Teso generally, we had and still have many Muslims true, there was harassment of some Muslims on account that they had belonged to SRB but so such killings took place. Some of us maintained our good relations with our Muslim friends, in fact non-Muslims were saved by their Muslim friends who got news that the fleeing Muslim soldiers had planned to kill all non-Muslim males in Soroti. Two of my friends one a Nubian and the other a Somali personally came to my place to warn me to leave Soroti as they had rumours that Muslim run-away soldiers had planned to kill non-Muslims. Stubborn as I was, I resisted telling them that I was innocent and would not budge; the friends almost cried, they urged me to leave first thing the following morning and if nothing bad happened, then I would go back. I asked them what would happen to them because non-Muslims might kill them also, at least if I were around I would warn them as they did at that time; we needed each other at that time; so I never ran away and nothing happened.

    As the “liberators” advanced to Soroti, the displaced Amin’s soldiers became irate. I was forced to leave Soroti after my Christian friend had been shot dead at Soroti Public gardens in broad day light, an act that turned non-Muslims angry. We scattered and never met again but after two to three years, I received news from my Somali friend that he was in Mombasa.

    It is absurd that “liberators” occasion death of the very people they came to liberate. So, the Mukura and Buchoro death much later is not news, it is the method of punishing those “wrong-blooded” people? May God forgive those those who killed people in the name of politics/religion.

    Peter Simon Okurut

  79. liults,

    So, who killed Ben Kiwanuka? Would Tinyefunza care to tell us, please?In an interview in SAUDI ARABIA before his death, Idi Amin said in the name of ALLAH, he didn’t kill Ben and the Inquiry into human rights abuses never even tried to contact him to tell his story.He admitted his soldiers did many bad things and killed people.But with Ben,he said these were exiles in Tanzania who did it to give his president a bad name and so was Arch Bishop Luwum, who was believed to have been sent weapons from Tanzania, AND THEN INFORMED the authorities that the Man of God had weapons knowing Amin would not spare him.The truck had bibles on top but under neath were weapons!! Let RESEARCHERS tell us about these events.

  80. Joseph Kamugisha,

    One of his strong confidants who never escaped the arrest shortly after the fall of the Kijambiya Amin’s regime, Kassim Obura, was questioned on almost everything he knew about the deaths of several prominent people during the eight year rule. He described and confirmed what was already on the streets even before the fall. Amin, with the help of one Major Juma, facked the “vehicle accident” in which the three innocent people allegedly died in. The truth of the matter is, after their send off from the Nile Mansions [Hotel] where the said smuggled guns and ammunitions had been assembled, they were driven to Nakasero State Research Bureau, where Amin, found them and gave orders to his boys to shoot and kill the two ministers namely Oryema and Ofumbi. They were shot one at a time. The last person to be killed was the Archbishop Luwum, whom Amin, shot once in the chest and when he fell down, Amin, added two more bullets in his mouth, perhaps in an effort relieve his wrath.

    I can tell you one story after another but will save you that for next time. As for Ben Kiwanuka, all you have been reading on this forum about Tanzania’s involvement or even Museveni is all but sheer wolokoso as usual.

    Kamugisha

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