Well Hearing all this; the general public does not really know what was going on in Obote’s rigid regime as in, who was planning what and who really had the powers to cook killing ideas with or without Obote’s knowledge. Obote himself was seen by some tribes mates as a traitor for marrying a muganda, yet Obote himself claimed that he couldn’t have a master plan to exterminate his brothers in law the Baganda.
But we all know that Milton was too drunk with either power or whiskey to reprimand any one in his administration. Knowingly or unknowingly for him he was exactly where he wanted to be as in ” The only president fit to rule Uganda” and nothing moved him further in truth to act unless he was threatened to be ousted from power. I believe to this day wherever he is, the combination of these two alphanumerics “M7″ haunt him a lot, but not skulls from (Buganda), Luwero, Ssemuto, Kapeka nor Masuliita. For he, Obote and M7 both share the skull closet and one of them will claim the biggest acre in high shame or revolutionary empty airs, when we reach in heaven on that judgment day, its not over yet.
However in many operations like panda gari in many villages in Buganda, the hard experience was, Head of families & bigger sons were killed with no clear reason, Govt soldiers would come in force the doors open kill and walk out majestically without really taking much, police would come in the next day, and no particular investigations would take place, as in motive, it was as if police already knew what was going on, so they never asked much, we never read many of these incidents in major newspapers and we would wait for another day for something like that to happen again. My father was left for dead in one of these incidents, I was in boarding school so I was not around to see what really happened, but we had a step mum who was a practicng nurse working for Mulago Hopital and my father was shot and hummered with small hoes by Obote soldiers, He was rushed to mulago hospital wrapped in blankets to keep him warm, the joke was all my brothers and sisters got new blankets after my dad came home because they were all used to save his life. I do not think these murderes followed up on their victims after that to find out whether they really died, for they did not come back again, some people never died but survived as the example of my father. It was a public secret that this was a state sponsored operation.
The village is Bukoto next to Kamwokya or Ntinda depending on where you are coming from, ask for the family of the late Ssemwogere, one of his sons is in Police “Gerald Ssemwogere Ssekiwunga) now and you will know about other families who died or survived, if your research yields good results, I’ll be able to read my fathers name in your communication and we shall filter more possibilities of this state sponsored operations.
I pray that some one better tells us what was going on with these irresponsible state sponsored killings as so many orphans that I personally know came to be so, in operations like in this way long before AIDS clocked in to rob us with our loved ones though its also said that Obote kept quiet about AIDS since it was mainly in Buganda, Masaka Kyotera for its reported that the first cases of AIDS showed up during his era and many NRA soldiers who camped thru over there during the Luwero/M7 war are either dead of AIDS by now or renewing blood from time to time in Germany, ask around. Either way Obote was bad news for Buganda though M7 is now borrowing some tricks from him to destabilise Buganda. I still highly predict that M7 will not succeed to finish off Buganda, I hear he authorized the delay of the Land bill and his file is on Obama’s desk, it comes in next after the Americans have got their stimulus package.
Mayiko Makula
Kampala
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Mayiko Mukula
I am not denying what you are stating, what I am denying is your time line. Look I was in Uganda during Obote two, I was arrested by the UPC government and dumped into Makindye go down where many Ugandans were killed, so cut the nonsense of I do not know what happened in Uganda under Obote two government. Today I am in Canada for I ran out of Uganda due to UPC 2 government and I have stated all this in day light over and over. So again cut the nonsense. Look when I called for a commission of inquiry, I was attacked that I am not including UPC, no to me they are number one on list. I have very serious questions of personal experience that I need to ask in front of that commission, but I want to do it right and I do not think that closing down UPC and possessing their properties as Abbey Semuwemba pleads, is the solution. And I do not even believe that Ssemuwemba has ever got even a millionth of the suffering I went through in Makindye go down for I even still have the physical scars let emotional. Let us get real here. But we can get that suffering and use it not as Mwirima for personal gains but for a better future of the country.
This is where you go wrong, you list Obote as the man that brought Panda Gali and I am stating here again that no Panda Gali was brought in Uganda by Museveni. Akandoya was brought in Uganda by Museveni, shooting people and killing entire families was brought in Uganda by Museveni, and I have brought an example of a manager of Grindlays Bank that was living in Bwayise who refused to hand money to NRA who was killed with his entire family including the visitors, we ended up with I think 8 dead people and we buried all of them on the same day in Bwayise. Check those details from Grindlays Bank in Kampala. It was Museveni that brought attacking Police Stations in Uganda as they attacked Luwero Police Station when I was two houses away and I saw many dead men women and children. It was Museveni that started killing civil servants as they murdered the judge of Katikamu Gombolola the same night as they murdered a Muganda boy who was a Police Officer commuting to Kampala every day from the same village, they killed him and killed his wife with a daughter that was two years old. I can list you examples and examples of what Museveni started in Uganda.
But I can also state to you what Obote also failed in Uganda. When he became an elected president, Obote failed to move fast to remove brutal things that Museveni started under UNLF, for example Panda Gali should have been abolished immediately after election, it was not. And when the Ssabassajjas decided to hold guns and kill Ugandans in Luwero it only exacerbated the problem.
So let us not get carried away by thinking we can change these things when we are not realistic.
EDWARD MULINDWA
Toronto
Mw. Mulindwa,
I am baffled by the whole lot of your first paragraph below. I had decided to keep away from this debate after the persistent denials from you and your fellow friends of the inner UPC circle, but I am not going to let these lies go. When some of us keep quite, it does not mean that we are fools or that we are in agreement with what the very people who are fanning discord and hatred in our society yet at the same time crying foul, are spewing on this forum. A few points to note are:
1. Panda Gari was not started by Museveni or when Museveni was in Obote II government. Panda Gari was started in around March 1981 when Museveni and his 27 chaps had already gone to the Bush. This I know very well, and I have already posted it on this forum before. I won’t post it again. The bus, Mpaawo Atalikaaba, Reg. number 01LA06 was brought into operation shortly after the removal of Bianisa in May 1980, but during that time it was used to ferry UNLA soldiers (mainly of Acholi and Langi origin – a fact that brought about a Radio Katwe terminology for the LA markings in the number plate to be substituted for Langi-Acholi; if you were in Kampala during that time as you claim, then you must have heard this Radio Katwe news) for deployment in the evenings, like Mayiko Makula has stated, in some selected few areas of Kampala and its environs. The first round up of human beings that this bus did was that of rowdy soldiers who had refused to stay in barracks’. This is when the UNLF govt under Muwanga and Museveni tried to show some seriousness with rowdy soldiers in Kampala, but as the election time drew closer, things went haywire and this exercise was abandoned. I keep wondering why the Pyeraramas and Obargots of this forum keep mum on this fact, or it is also an Okello-Apello concoction?
2. Obote did not build Mulago hospital, like you have time and again posted those lies on this forum. Mulago hospital was built by the British Protectorate government before they relinquished power in 1962. Most of the monies that were used to build the hospital were British Taxpayers money. Mulago hospital was officially opened on 16th October, 1962 (one week after independence day) by the Duchess of Kent. Unless if you want to state that Obote is a custodian of the Aldina magic lamp such that he built Mulago hospital in a record period of one week.
3. Obote’s UPC started playing dirty already in 1964 when it started buying of opposition MPs (Bataringaya was a DP from Ankole and leader of opposition). In fact KY contemplated joining hands with DP to fight UPC but due to the foolish politics of religion by some Baganda of that time, this proved futile until DP was dilapidated of nearly all its members in parliament one by one; by way of crossing over to UPC. Do you call that a Party worthy fighting for at the expense of your own Buganda to the extent of demeaning our Kabaka like you have done on a number of occasions on this and other fora? Beeramu akategeera.
Bw’ova ku byange ng’ogenda ku wangatto!
NOTE:
On 30th Nov 1953, when the Governor Sir Andrew Cohen surmoned Sir Edward Muteesa to Government House in Entebbe, after Sir Edward refused to budge from the numerous threats made towards him, Sir Cohen handed him the deportation order. Without looking at it, Sir Edward passed it over to his Katikkiro, Owek. Paulo Kavuma, and kept on staring at the Governor. He (Sir Edward) just calmly asked them, “Does this mean that I am under arrest?” The Governor hissed out, “Yes”. Two white constables then walked in to take away the Kabaka. He then allowed them to walk him out of the office. Upon reaching outside, his deputy ADC, Robert Ntambi (RIP) being concerned over the safety of his Kabaka asked him, “Ssebo, nkube?”, meaning “Sir, should I shoot the bastards?” Sir Edward being the Royal and British trained military personnel he was, replied calmly with wisdom and guidance, “Tokuba, baleke” meaning “Just let the poor souls be!”
Please note that Sir Edward himself was armed with a revolver which he later handed over to the accompanying British officer in the aeroplane when they were already airborne, and could have done a Terrance Hill to those two poor souls, but he couldn’t kill an innocent man. And lo, some Baganda bashers and haters spew lies on this forum of how Sir Edward killed innocent Banyoro in Karuguza, my foot!
Anyway, Mayiko Makula has diagonised your problem, so let us leave it at that. Now you are running away from the facts of your so-called Obote hospitals until such a time when things have cooled down. Oh, monsieur!
Nviiri Robert
UAH FORUMIST
Robert Nviri,
A Muganda friend and royalist once told me of this particular story and others were the Kabaka had been humiliated and his ‘subjects’ killed by the British, yet they moved on. He strongly advised that if they could absorb boer humiliation there is no reason why they should not reconcile with their Ugandan neighbours with whom they may have disagreed. 40 years is a long time, as Japanese and Germans could suggest.
The conduct of Andrew Cohen was outrageious, that is why in UPC we are determined that Afrikans must govern themselves and, shame on NRA class of 86, the imperialist quislings per excellence.
Ochieno Joseph
UPC REPRESENTATIVE IN THE UK
UAH FORUMIST
So, bro Ochieno,
You now want to tell us how UPC is really by the side of the very Monarch the planned to destroy in 1964? Ochieno ssebo, you shall never be like any of them, the earlier you abandon them, the better for you! KY is the place for you and your likes, but not UPC! Go back and support your chief the Adhola, and bring develpment to Tororo esecially Nagongera.
Cheers!
NVIRI